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    September 12, 2012
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wondering why yankees fans are doing so much complaining. check the dodger record. >> i know. the poor dodgers. mike barnicle unloaded how much? 262 million dlarsz. unloaded on the dodgers. now it's sinking their ship, too. >> i'm up getting ready getting in-home mani/pedi facial. >> wait a minute. they come to your house? this is breaking news for donny deutsch. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ good morning. it is wednesday, september 12th. as you look at a live picture at 6:00 in the morning of times square here in new york city. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle. the chairman of deutsche inc., donny deutsch. "fortune's" lee gallagher. the director of the earth institute at columbia
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university, dr. jeffrey sacks. and in washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent, host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. and in boston, contributor of "newsweek" and "the daily beast," mr. mark mckinnon. mark? >> we've got the purple pen going this morning. and the black scarf. >> looking good. >> what is that? >> he always wears one. it's just a matter of what color it's going to be. >> mark, you're a bold, brave man. >> it's a cross between a bolo and a tie. it's what the gauchos wear, donny. >> it makes sense. >> it's the next big thing. >> boy, we have a lot to talk about this morning. andrea, we want to get to you in a moment. we have so much to work through. begin with two big stories developing overseas. one in egypt, another in libya, both involving violent protests against the united states. at the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya's second largest city, at least one american staff member was killed after gunmen stormed the compound and burned it down.
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we've got some amateur video here into nbc news from the scene. if you listen, you can hear gunshots going off in the background. witnesses say the attackers were armed with automatic rifles, rpgs. libyan forces stationed there said to have little to stop the violence. in neighboring cairo, angry protesters scaled the fortified walls of the u.s. embassy, destroyed the american flag and replaced it with a black islamic banner. most of the u.s. diplomatic staff had already been evacuated in anticipation of this protest. both incidents reportedly are reaction to a little-known amateur movie produced in the united states which ridiculed the prophet mohammed. it gained attention because an obscure florida pastor began promoting it, the same man who triggered deadly riots in afghanistan when he threatened to burn the koran. we want to go straight to cairo where we find nbc chief foreign correspondent, richard engel.
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richard, fill us in a little more this morning. >> reporter: good morning. a libyan source has told nbc news that the u.s. ambassador who was visiting the consulate was killed along with three others. not sure of the nationality of those three others. the u.s. state department has not confirmed this, but this has been told to us by a senior security source in libya. we've been also told that the libyan prime minister and the libyan president will both be speaking today about this subject, offering their condolences to the united states and to the family of the fallen ambassador. and this is according to the report. we were told that when gunmen and a mob stormed the consulate building, they first attacked it with rpgs, then they opened fire on it with machine guns and assault rifles. then they set fire to the building that the ambassador and a number of these three others were in a closed room and appear to have died of smoke
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inhalation. this is from a libyan source. arabic media reporting similar stories. the u.s. state department has not officially confirmed. >> andrea mitchell, i want to go to you on this. richard reporting information that's been reporting elsewhere by reuters. the united states ambassador to libya, christopher stevens, may have been the victim here. can you tell us any more about it this morning? >> reporter: we have not confirmed that. we've talked to all the top state department officials. i should point out that we were here all night, and there was a report, of course, that a diplomat, that a u.s. employee and then a diplomat, had been killed. and even that was not confirmed here till shortly after 10:00 eastern. so they have, under law, official policies of not confirming anything until they have notified families. they then finally did confirm that, as i say, after 10:00 that it was a diplomat, but not that it was the ambassador. so the first word that it was the ambassador came from richard engel and his sources in cairo.
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of course, any loss of life is dreadful. the fact that if it is true and it was ambassador stevens would certainly escalate this, willie. this is a tragedy and a huge issue for the u.s. government to deal with. obviously people are going to be very angry here in the united states given everything that was invested in liberating libya from gadhafi and coming at the same time as the attacks in cairo and concerns that the governments -- the local governments there, at least initially, did not properly protect u.s. lives and u.s. property. >> all right, andrea. it sounds like people are trying to get in touch with you. we'll let you work the phones for a minute. richard, let me go back to you. we should take a step back and explain why these mobs are, in fact, in the streets, why an american diplomat is dead this morning. it's about, i guess, this film that's online. you can find it. you have to dig pretty deep to find it on youtube, but it is there. but explain how it's playing
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there in egypt and libya. >> reporter: well, almost everything about this story is disgusting. this film is disgusting. it's amateur. it's comical. it is absolutely insulting toward islam. there are reports that the maker of the movie is now in hiding, fearing for his life someplace. this was an obscure youtube-type movie that would have probably gone nowhere and been watched by almost no one except a hard-line community here in egypt noticed it and started talking about it and made it a campaign in this country. and once that began, it touched on people's emotions because this movie not only insults islam, it specifically portrays and insults the muslim prophet mohammed. it shows him in a variety of degrading ways. and once people on the ground heard about this and heard that
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it was called a film, they didn't make the distinction that this was just some online movie. it was believed here that this was a hollywood blockbuster and that it was going to be released yesterday on the anniversary of 9/11. that's when the protests began. once protests began, mobs form. crowds form. people start shouting. and it got out of hand. then it moved on to benghazi, also there inspired by this incident by this online movie. in fact, the people who were encouraging that demonstration which turned into the violent assault in benghazi held a press conference this morning saying that this was a bold reaction from the people to confront this insult against islam. >> richard, as you report, tension building and crowds gathering. what can you tell us about security in and around the consulate in benghazi and where you are in cairo, the american embassy in cairo?
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>> reporter: well, starting at the beginning, this began yesterday afternoon here in cairo. and the security was not very evident. in fact, the protesters were able to get very close to the embassy. then they were even able to start scaling the walls. several dozen of them climbing over the walls, going inside, pulling down the u.s. flag, which was already flying at half-staff because of 9/11, replacing it with another flag. all of this takes time. then climbing back over the wall and covering large sections of this wall in some very vulgar graffiti, some very innocuous islamic slogans. and it was only at that stage that egyptian security forces moved in and tried to push back the crowds. so there are many of the diplomatic community, at least people that i've been speaking to, that think the egyptian security forces reacted too slowly to something that was fairly predictable, something
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that built up over time, then escalated quickly, but something that people could have foreseen coming. >> donny, this isn't the first time we in the united states have seen a response to something we can't wrap our heads around. whether it's a cartoon or film that leads to death, cartoons or films that insult. the prophet mohammed and violent reaction. we see that again today. >> this is obviously a tragedy. the scary thing, if you look right out from this, this is a demonstration of the black underbelly of the digital age. you know, we saw the good side with the arab spring. unfortunately, what happened over there is not too different from what happened here as a result of the democratization of media in that we don't distinguish, even in this country, sometimes a blog or even the political commercials we see that don't run anywhere. they only run on the internet produced in some guy's basement and then we escalate them. this is the dark side of the democratization of media. we don't distinguish.
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we see what happens across the globe of something that is not endorsed by anybody. that has no credibility other than somebody sitting in their underwear in a basement. this is the danger of the internet. this is the dark side. >> you know, one of the more combustible elements in this, jeffrey, unfortunately is going to be the politics of it domestically here. i mean, american consulates, american embassies overseas are sovereign united states territory. and it appears from initial reports not corroborated finally that an american ambassador in libya is dead and the consulate in benghazi. the political ramificatio domestically here i don't think any of us can measure right now. >> this is a big deal. it's more than a tragedy. it is a major foreign policy challenge because these are countries that are not only unstable, but they're ub for grup for grabs right now. this is an extraordinarily dynamic and frightening time. libya, egypt, iran and the
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dynamics of this can absolutely get out of hand. you look at those pictures of scaling the walls of the egyptian embassy, it looks like 1979. it's frightening to think about the iranian hostage taken, just looking at those pictures. and this is the dynamic that's under way right now. if we have a response that just escalates the round of hostilities, this could be years of setting in motion very dangerous trends. >> andrea, take us through the dynamics of that diplomatic challenge now for the state department and the white house. what do they do this morning as they wake up and see the pictures we're watching? >> first of all, they've got a diplomatic challenge. they've got a military and security challenge, and they've got a political problem. this is in the middle of the campaign. at midnight there was an exchange of very nasty press releases from the obama for america campaign and from the romney campaign because of a statement that the romney campaign had put out about the
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incident when we thought it was the death of a diplomat, a staff person or a foreign service officer. but we did not at that stage know it was the ambassador. so there was already an angry exchange. and we all remember what happened in 1979. so you've got a president running for re-election and all of the criticism that he's already endured from the romney campaign about his policy in the middle east, particularly in iran. and so there are a lot of echoes. they are going to be very sensitive to all of these implications. in two weeks, we're going to be in new york at the united nations. president obama is giving a speech exactly two weeks from yesterday at the u.n. then ahmadinejad two weeks from today and then two weeks from tomorrow, benjamin netanyahu, israel's prime minister. and we haven't discussed this yet, will in a few minutes, i'm sure, but there is a new conflict or flap between the united states and israel over iran that emerged yesterday as
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well. an hour-long conversation between president obama who called netanyahu last night to try to smooth it over and then both sides issued statements which didn't really smooth over the rift. so you've got a lot in play here. and this is very challenging as the president is trying to campaign for re-election. >> yeah, we're going to get to israel in just a second. mark mckinnon in boston, i want to get to you because the chronology here is very important. andrea alluded to this back-and-forth between the romney and obama campaigns. the american embassy released a statement before the violence erupted in cairo in an apparent reference to this film and the pastor. the statement read, "the united states embassy in cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of muslims as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of american democracy. we firmly reject actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others." that was before the attacks took
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place targeted apparently at this film and the florida pastor. mitt romney had been withholding political attacks on the anniversary of 9/11, lifted that embargo shortly before midnight, released a statement that blasted the state department, reading "it's disgraceful that the obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." as i said, the statement came out before the attacks took place. so the obama campaign came back, going after essentially mitt romney, saying we are shocked that at a time when we are mourning, confronting the tragic death of one of our diplomatic officers in libya, governor romney would choose to launch a political attack. we're still sorting through the mess. we're still trying to find out who died and who didn't. so we don't want to jump too quickly into the politics, but what does this mean based on what you saw last night? >> well, i think what it means is you shouldn't jump too quickly to the politics. the campaign shouldn't jump too quickly to the politics. this is an incredibly volatile situation, and i think the first
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thing that the campaigns need to do is to step back and lower the heat on it. the last thing we need is to politicize an already incredibly politicized situation. i'd like to ask you, willie or andrea or anybody else, what's the connection to terry jones and what was his involvement? what do we know about terry jones? >> well, terry jones, the pastor you're referencing, he's the guy who threatened to burn the koran and set off death, frankly, in afghanistan, violence in afghanistan. he's believed to be involved somehow with this film. we hesitate even to use his name. >> exactly. exactly. how he manages to stay in the loop is beyond belief. it defies -- it defies explanation, really. you know, lee, you know, mark mckinnon's advice to both campaigns which will go unheeded, it does, i think, leave some of us with just a sinking feeling that the politics of this is going to explode in the next 24 hours. and it's not going to be healthy for anyone. >> very quickly, i think that's absolutely right.
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and you know, i think the lesson here is that, you know, this is a film that when we go back to our offices today, no one that we know has heard of this film. and yet it is center stage over there. so we forget that, you know, somebody out of left field can just create something, to donny's point, in this digital age that just gets lost in the sea here. but it just explodes. i mean, this is just -- obviously you have to be very careful, but, you know, i think it's a really terrible example of what can go wrong in this digital age. and it's absolutely going to go political. >> i checked last night, donny, when the story was exploding about 10:00. you could link through and find this film on youtube. and it's 6,000 views. not 6 million. 6,000 views. no one had seen it. that was after it had been out for a while. presumably it got a bunch after that. the idea that this is somehow representative of the american view or the obama administration's view of islam is obviously absurd. but it's all about how it's shot
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back out. >> i'm going to say it again. there's terrorism that's a danger, and there's technology that's a danger. unfortunately, you guys are going to be sitting around this table over the next ten years, mike, at that point you'll be very old, and there will be so many more incidents where technology has been a kocco co-conspirat co-conspirator. and further, how many idiots are sitting in their pajamas right now saying oh, i'm going to make a car -- this is the danger zone, and it is -- there is no way to contain it. to dr. sachs's point, this is beyond a tragedy and beyond scary for its implications. beyond the politics and beyond the issues of the country, it is what can be done with technology. >> they thought it was a blockbuster over there. that's what richard said. that's the thing. that seems inane to us, but that is exactly how it's perceived. >> to your larger point other than the cheap shot toward me, to your larger point, seriously, given this supposed minister's
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role in last year's riots in afghanistan where people died and given his apparent or his alleged role in this film where not yet nailed down, but at least one american, perhaps the american ambassador is dead, it might be time for the department of justice to start viewing his role as an accessory before or after the fact in some -- >> i was thinking the same thing, yeah. >> this is -- the height of ludicrousness. as you point out and as you point out, go on youtube, and in a country of 325 million, the world, actually, what, 6,000 views? >> last night, yeah. >> and now we have a consulate in benghazi in flames and the american embassy in cairo being attacked by people. this is truly, truly ludicrous. >> i think it's important, though, that it finds a fertile ground because that's already such a volatile situation. the role of the u.s. is already
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so much in heated violent debate across that whole region. and so it can trigger something. but what's underlined this is a whole region that is in political upheaval, and the future of the region between extreme islam and democracy is open for question right now. and so this plays into it. and that's why, in my view, this is so dangerous, obviously, because we saw how iran -- that's a problem that hasn't gone away. that is a crisis that has been going on for decades. and if the direction that this arab spring takes becomes extraordinarily volatile and anti-american, anti-western, which is quite possible if this feeds on itself, the consequences are huge. just a simple response to, you know, bash this, pound the table, so forth isn't going to get us to where we want to go. this is pretty complicated.
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and we have to avoid this self-fulfilling dynamics of this getting out of control. >> going back to the politics for a second, you know, and obviously we know both sides are capable of doing horrifically politicized, stupid things. i thought the state department, the obama response, as far as to immediately calm the situation, i thought the romney one was clearly a political hand grenade, and i think shame on that campaign, personally. if you try and object to look out at the response and the response to the response. >> absolutely. >> you know, it's hard to say you started, you started, but i think as just common sense, the white house's response seemed to make sense. not on the other side. >> we've got a lot more to talk about with this story. we haven't even gotten to israel and the united states. we'll get to that in just a minute with andrea. also, dr. zeke emanuel and emily senay will break down the latest medical headlines including a surprising new study on fish oil supplements. >> i take fish oil. >> do you really? >> yes. >> for what? >> it's supposed to be good for you.
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we're going to find out it's not? >> says who? it's not working. also from "the last word," lawrence o'donnell and academy award-winning actress melissa leo will be here on set. up next, mike allen with the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, meteorologist todd santos in this week for bill with a look at the forecast. >> also stocked up on fish oil myself. now i'm feeling left out. want to talk a little bit about the situation for today. many of us, you step outside, another gorgeous day for you. new york city, boston, back towards buffalo. 55 right now up there. 60 in new york city. central park, 58. philly, beautiful day out there. there's a look at the satellite/radar composite. you see a few of those thin, gray specks through central pa. that's actually just a little bit of low cloud cover. but for the most part, you're talking full sunshine throughout the day today. so a great one as you travel around the area. 81 down towards d.c. with full sunshine. we are going to find a few showers along the i-95 corridor especially through florida. maybe a few light showers around jacksonville. miami, better chances later this afternoon. west palm, maybe a few showers
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and thunderstorms. and a little bit of that i-10 corridor around mobile bay, maybe a few light showers as well in the short term. looking across the entire rest of the u.s., there are some cool temperatures starting to settle in towards montana, northwest wyoming. so while the east coast is warming up, a few areas out in the northwest or at least cooling down a little bit. that's at least your morning temperatures. there's a look in through this afternoon. 71 billings. denver, a much better chance for thunderstorms today than yesterday, especially in through the afternoon hours. over towards chicago, coming in quiet. you're still on the warmer side of things with 90 degrees out there. as we get into thursday and friday, we'll start to see better chances for showers in towards the lower great lakes. for now, let's leave you with a shot of lower manhattan. and more "morning joe" on the way next. so you brushed with colgate total and you didn't.
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welcome back to "morning joe." 6:25 in the morning here on the east coast as we take a look at the "morning papers." "the san francisco chronicle." in a rare speech, mark zuckerberg told a conference that mobile technology is facebook's future. while acknowledging facebook's disappointing stock performance and the likelihood that some employees will leave, zuckerberg said he hopes most of his staff will double down on the company. "chicago tribune." chicago's teachers enter their third day on strike with no sign of a breakthrough. ten hours of talks tuesday yielded little headway on key issues especially teacher evaluations. mayor rahm emanuel repeatedly stands that the strike was avoidable as the school board asked the teachers union for their own proposal of how to resolve the dispute. and this morning you have even "the new york times" taking sides. an op-ed saying chicago teachers folly the strike hurts students and damages the union's credibility. more about that later.
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with us, chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen with the playbook. good morning. >> good morning. great coverage. before we talk about politics, we have to acknowledge this transcendent story. nbc was first. others confirming it was the u.s. ambassador killed in libya. it's a shocking story that popped into political reporters' e-mails at 10:00 last night when the romney campaign blasted that statement that you referred to, saying that they thought that the obama administration response. it was the u.s. embassy saying the obama administration response was disgraceful. they sent that out at 10:00 p.m. with the fig leaf that it would be embargoed until midnight just after 9/11 because of the campaign's attempts to pretend that they weren't being partisan on 9/11. about 25 minutes later, another romney campaign e-mail popped out, saying go ahead, use the statement now. ten minutes after midnight, the obama campaign blasting back,
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saying they were shocked by the language in this statement. >> mark mckinnon, you've spoken about this already, but worth bringing you back in for this. you listen to mike allen's characterization of how it went down. whether you agree or don't agree with the romney statement, it just sounds cynical and gross. please embargo this to 12:01 after 9/11. >> well, i mean, the rush to judgment and literally no caution whatsoever in a potentially, you know, who knew at that point, but it's an international situation. so you'd think they'd at least reserve some judgment. and the fact that it was on 9/11 and there was some supposed embargo, the breaking of the embargo is so patently political, it really gives you pause. >> it's really stunning how anything the romney camp has done as it relates to foreign affairs is an embarrassment. this continues. >> the danger for the campaign in issuing a statement like that and being exposed with the fig leaf, as mike explained, the
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embargo until 12:01, is it begs the question of how amateurish are they with regard to foreign policy in this high ly volatile incendiary situation in libya and egypt. >> mike, you guys have a story up this morning about mitt romney on the domestic side of politics, trying to make a dent in the deficit in some of the battleground state polls. you went around to some of the top republicans in town for some advice. what did they tell you? >> yeah, we're calling this fixing mitt. and the romney campaign has two huge holes. geography. they're behind in these key swing states, and demography. we've talked about their gap with women and hispanics. we went to these smart republicans and said okay, you're so smart. what would you do? and one of the big answers we got back is that romney needs to be specific and excited about what he would do. run a jobs campaign, talk about something very particular with things you would do. one thing that was mentioned to us was the factory proposal that rick santorum had in the
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primaries. have something people can visualize. also they're saying less trips, stop with the boats and the lakefront weekends for republicans who think that the romney campaign has been too passive with those images, just sort of rub it in. and a third piece of advice from our smarty-pants republicans was stop chasing shiny objects. and they pointed to david gregory's very skillful interview with mitt romney on "meet the press" on sunday that romney found himself talking about everything but jobs. we find him out attacking obama on all different things, putting out a memo about polling. no, they say, just talk about jobs. if you're going to get this done, that's going to be how. >> mark mckinnon, have you been surprised with the lack of specificity from the romney campaign, whether it's about which tax loopholes he would close to make up the gap for the tax cuts or about what he would do on foreign policy? this close to the finish line, are they going to start to get more specific? >> well, there's 56 days left,
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and that is a long time in politics. and i remember in 2000 at this point in the campaign, we were suddenly down three points, and everybody was piling on in the campaign writing our obituary. so there is time. you know, i'm one of those who had hoped that the appointment of paul ryan, which i call the bold pick, would lead to more specificity. you know, the thing that's bothered me somewhat is that the things that i liked about paul ryan have now been sort of obscured. but we've got the debates coming up. there's plenty of time to turn it around. so i think there's some more chapters yet to happen. but it's up to romney to step up and start giving us some specifici specificity. it's important. >> paul ryan's been totally hamstrung. you can see him biting his tongue. i know the answer, but i can't say. >> before we go, everybody's waiting for october 3rd, the first debate. we've watched both these characters certainly for four, eight, ten years. what does everybody think is going to happen on a given night? do they think either one of
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these guys is going to fall down? it's like we in the media start to kid ourselves that something -- we know what the debate's going to look like. we know these characters. mark -- >> but donny -- >> if you're waiting for this magic moment to happen, particularly with 93% of the people seeing it exactly the way they want to see it at that point, i think you guys are whistling dixie. >> donny, that's exactly what they said in 2000. everybody said we know bush, we know gore, and nothing dramatic's going to happen. it shifted the race three points in a tight race, and suddenly bush was ahead. >> that's just it. and people will be watching those debates who aren't focused on the guys now. it's not that they're going to see something new. it's that new people will see it. >> mike allen with a look inside the "politico playbook." thanks so much. we'll talk to you. >> thanks for your great coverage, willie. the red sox in dead last in the a.l. east with nothing to play for. >> yeah? what happened last night? >> sort of a walking corpse, the red sox. naturally, though, they're making life miserable for the yankees. >> spank you. >> highlights from last night's game at fenway next in sports.
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wow! look at that beautiful -- that's the sun coming up over new york city at about 6:37 in the morning. >> that's a great picture. >> look at that. >> wow! >> t.j., is that cgi? you didn't do that, did you? >> that's real. >> that's beautiful. look at that. >> that's amazing. >> is that happening right now, t.j.? >> no, that is, though. >> well, it's beautiful, nevertheless. >> it's great to be on the discovery channel, isn't it? >> it is. i could have watched that all day. slow motion. re-rack it. help the numbers a little bit. let's talk sports. the red sox don't have a whole lot left to play for. but they do have a chance to spoil the yankees' season. and they began that effort last night at fenway. yankees down a run and leading the division by only one game. top of the sixth, derek jeter inside-out swing, the patented swing. boy, that's a fenway ground-rule double. 3-2 yankees there. but in the bottom of the inning, dustin pedroia. >> boom!
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>> solo home run into the monster seats. ties the game at 3-3. his 15th home run of the season. still tied in the ninth. jacoby ellsbury. hits one to right field. ichiro comes up throwing. >> good throw. >> beautiful throw. just a little bit late. the last place boston red sox. >> good night. >> walk off with a win over the yankees, 4-3. yankees in some trouble. they're now 4-8 in their last 12 games. and the orioles won last night. they beat the rays in baltimore. so the orioles and yankees now tied for first place atop the a.l. east. >> red sox are torrid. they're only 15 1/2 out. >> red sox september, my friend. >> you're enjoying this as much as winning. that's the sick thing. >> makes my year. >> makes me sick. >> you're 64-78 and really happy about it because you won last night. the oakland a's have a better record than the yankees.
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coco crisp, insurance run, two-run double. a's beat the angels 6-5. a's have won five straight games. >> amazing. >> they lead the a.l. wild card race and now only three games back of the rangers in the a.l. west. what about the phillies, mike barnicle? >> hot. love the phillies. >> got rid of their whole team but up three runs already over the marlins. jimmy rollins crushes bun into the second deck. phillies win, 9-7, winning six games in a row. fire sale at the trade deadline. now just four games out of the wild card race. they're back of .500 for the first time since june the 4th. >> willie, can i bring up the a's, probably one of the three lowers in baseball better than the angels and detroit. >> that's true. >> think about that. >> you know what i'm going to call that? moneyball. i just thought of that. you like that? >> might be a book there. >> i don't know. >> this is great. get to it. >> so mlb.com. great operation. you talk about it all the time. >> bob bowman, genius. genius. >> puts on a good show over at
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mlb. they've got this thing where they're letting people like me, dopes like me, come in and call games for their favorite team. so they gave my dad and i the privilege in june of calling a few innings of the yankees/braves game. it was a june afternoon where it was literally 100 degrees without the humidity. and they let us sit there and sort of tell stories and half pay attention to the game. i was a big yankee fan growing up. dave winfield, my favorite player. here's a little bit of what you can see today if you go to mlb.com. >> hello, everybody. we're out here at yankees stadium where it's a beautiful day for a game. >> is it? >> 135 on the field. with 98% humidity. >> we go on vacation to wherever we go, cape cod for a week. and over the course of the vacation, i realize that i've sort of been out of touch with the yankees, not watching as much. but figured winfield is wondering where i had been. >> i'd imagine. >> and what i was up to. so i'd go out and buy a postcard, address it, "dear
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winfield." >> it was last night. >> right, just "winfield." went to the beach a couple times. >> lobster roll. >> mini golf. >> i'll see you in about a week. then i hand it to my dad, "dad, send this to winfield." >> at least you put "new york" on it. >> my dad, like, son, i turn my back, right in the trash. >> did you see that? >> yes, i used to write postcards from my vacations to dave winfield. and my dad would throw them in the trash. >> your dad would talk about the you understand jelly of the internet. >> were you wearing one of donny's old shirts? >> it was a little tight there. >> was it a little snug? hot day. i was taking off the layers. >> it's like seeing your teacher in jeans. >> you have to go and take a plook at the site, though, mlb.com, baseball advanced media. bob bowman who runs it is -- you were talking about it earlier -- is a genius doing this stuff.
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everything's hunky dorey. i sa he knows how bad some people are hurting. he knows what the problems are. the test is whether he's taking us in the right direction, and answer to that is yes. yes. >> as promised, president bill clinton out campaigning for president obama in florida yesterday. we're going to be seeing a lot more of that over the next 56 days or so. meanwhile, president obama and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu say they remain united after a tense day over how to deal with iran's nuclear program. the two spoke on the phone for an hour last night as andrea reported. they talked about iran and other security issues. earlier in the day prime minister netanyahu had sharp words for hillary clinton who said the u.s. would not set red-line limits on iran's
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nuclear activity. >> the world tell s israel, wai. there's still time. and i say, wait for what? wait until when? those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before iran don't have a moral right to place a red light before israel. >> andrea mitchell, there were reports in the media yesterday that the white house had snubbed a request from israel to meet president obama at the u.n. the white house says not true. where do we stand here? >> well, the white house says that there was never a request. israel says there was a request. the president then called netanyahu and afterwards they again issued conflicting statements about whether there was a request. there is a continuing disagreement between israel and the united states, at least between prime minister benjamin netanyahu and the white house over how to handle iran.
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there is disagreement, i should point out, within israel itself. so they are not speaking with one voice. but at least as far as the prime minister is concerned, the united states has not been tough enough, has not been specific enough. the u.s. position ishat if we're specific about what the red line is with iran, that gives iran more leverage than the u.s. has. what hillary clinton was saying is u.s. policy, it's what she and defense secretary panetta, national security adviser tom donelan have been saying for the last four weeks. they have basically been shuttling back and forth between the united states and jerusalem, sending that message. but the way she phrased it in her interview, as she was preparing to fly back over the weekend really set netanhu off. and we should point out, this is a political campaign. he's had decades of friendship with mitt romney. mitt romney had earlier accused the white house of throwing israel under the bus. so this is already a campaign
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issue. and his response that no one who doesn't put red lines down against iran doesn't have the moral authority to set out a red light against israeli military action is really an escalation of it. so there's no agreement. netanyahu is coming to new york on the 27th. the president is coming for a day and a half on the 25th. the president, the white house says, will be long gone before netanyahu even gets to new york. of course, if they wanted to schedule a meeting, they could invite him to washington, and that invitation is not forthcoming. i should quickly point out this is a week before the first debate. the white house point of view is that he's got a lot of other things scheduled. he's not meeting with any foreign leaders while he's in new york this time. >> andrea mitchell, good reporting on israel and the united states. thanks again. want to talk to you, dr. sachs and leigh. a ruling by a german court this morning will make a massive
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bailout. the $500 billion euro rescue fund would lend money to governments including spain, italy. stocks in europe have been rallying today on the news. leigh, break this down for us a little bit. >> sure. >> what does it mean? >> basically there was an injunction in germany about whether germany could participate in this security mechanism which is basically the long-term bailout fund that's going to work with the ecb to buy bonds in all the weak countries like italy and spain and greece. i think most people probably weren't necessarily even that aware that this was kind of holding things back. but when the news came out yesterday that it looked like it was going to be cleared, the market went crazy yesterday. i don't know if anybody noticed, but it went bananas. and this was one of the reasons why. another reason is because everyone's sort of waiting here for the fed to sprinkle fairy dust and enliven the markets. specifically germany yesterday was a big deal. and then it was officially passed today. so this sort of clears the way for more of the same. i mean, we've known that this is sort of the way forward in
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europe. this does not address any of the structural reform that's needed to really, really fix what's happening over there. but, you know, it's kind of -- it moves things forward in a positive way. >> is this more than a quick fix, dr. sachs? >> this is important because the euro itself is the currency over the 17 countries was on the brink, and last spring, a lot of people thought it was going to break up. but step by step, they're pulling back. and there have been important moves by their central bank which said we're going to save the euro. and they've taken some measures, and now this ruling allows this fund to go forward. and i think what it means is the chance of an explosion coming from europe that could do huge damage to the world economy is really much, much less than it was. there's a lot of work to do, but this is good news. it's important news. and the markets are rallying behind it, i think, says something real is happening. >> this is the one -- you could talk about a jobless recovery, all of the numbers that traders
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and wall street looks at in this country, that has been the thing that has been keeping people like this. and once all of a sudden, to dr. sachs's point and leigh's point, this is not going to be armageddon over there. this market's going to fly. >> you know, this is good news. we all accept that. it's good news. but good news for how long? we've been going through a year of this now, back and forth, back and forth. by this weekend, germany could say, well, that's not quite what we meant. >> at least it's not collapse. that's the news. >> yes. you're right. if this did not pass, it would have been really bad no matter how many people weren't aware this particular news event was happening today. no, none of it is addressing the structural reform of whether these 17 countries, whether it makes sense for them to be together. whether they can have fiscal and monetary union. that's the entire question. you know, this does not -- this basically helps keep everything together for now. i mean, that's what it does. that's what we've been talking about for the past 18 months there. >> speaks to the degree of problem, at least it's not
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leigh gallagher along with mark mckinnon in boston. with us now, tina brown. tina, good morning. >> good morning. how are you? >> we're doing well. we want to get to "newsweek" a little later. we have some big stories coming in and changing by the minute. in egypt, another in libya both involving violent protests against the united states. at the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya's second largest city, at least one american staff member was killed after gunmen stormed the compound, burning it down. reports from the region say the diplomat who was killed was jay christopher stevens. he is the u.s. ambassador to libya. nbc news, though, has not yet independently confirmed those reports. witnesses say attackers were armed with automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. libyan forces stationed there are said to have done little to stop the violence. in egypt at the embassy in cairo, protesters destroyed the american flag and raising
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another, a black islamic banner. most of the u.s. diplomatic staff, though, already had been evacuated from that embassy beforehand. both incidents reportedly in reaction to a little-known amateur movie produced reportedly in the u.s. which ridiculed the prophet muhammad. it gained some attention overseas in part because a florida pastor began promoting it, the same one who triggered deadly riots in afghanistan last year by threatening to burn the koran. we'll get to the politics of this in just a moment. tina brown, though, your first reaction as you see this this morning. this is a very dicey situation which could become much dicier if, in fact, reports are confirmed that the u.s. ambassador to libya has been killed. >> again, it does show how inflammatory and inflamable the islamic sensibility can be when something as random as, you know, a crazy bigot can post something on the internet and it goes wild, and it can make a
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crowd act in this way. it also shows, in my view, how incredibly important it is to keep our eye on this problem and keep it in the discussion and not just simply only focus on domestic affairs. it really is amazing to me that romney's adviser can refer to, you know, foreign affairs as, quote, shiny objects that obama wants to introduce him to the campaign when clearly you have a problem with the nuances of these very inflammatory and fragile situations is going to be key in the next administration. >> mike barnicle, we talked about it in our last segment, but to be able to take a video that about three people in the united states saw. if you go online and watch it, it's incredibly terribly done. it's an amateur video that's turned in apparently to the death of one of this country's leading diplomats. >> there are so many combustible elements of this story. you know, you have to sort your way through it. you obviously have the death of the american ambassador, apparently, allegedly, so far
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yet not fully corroborated. american embassies and consulates are sovereign territory. so the political reaction here is going to be probably totally out of proportion on the romney -- we've already seen it on the romney side. the restraint that is necessary in the obama administration has got to be completely unnerving because the death occurred in libya where we expended billions of dollars to liberate that country earlier this year. >> yeah. >> in cairo, this is the ongoing elements of the arab spring where american embassies are under attack. and ostensibly because this ludicrous film on youtube has ignited a huge element of the muslim world in the middle east. they say nothing or very little when their own people are slaughtered in afghanistan by their own people. they say nothing. >> nothing. you know, bruce riedel in "the
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daily beast" has written about the pakistani doctor who led us to osama. and the doctor has revealed that pakistan just sees america now as enemy number one. even despite the over $25 billion in aid we give to pakistan. it is now -- america is now seen as public enemy number one. so you have incidents like this and you see something as threatening as pakistan who does have nuclear weapons. >> tina, i'd love you to react to something threw out in the earlier hour as somebody who runs "the daily beast," a very influential digital enterprise, that this digital danger that continues to lurk. this is an example of what terrifies me, in the next 10, 20 years, how international events will be triggered by what i call the dark underbelly of the internet. and that the average poeerson, forget here, across the globe, cannot distinguish information they are getting from a mass
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media versus some idiot in his white boxer briefs in a basement. and we will continue to see horrific events as an unfortunate residue of the brilliance of technology, now the underbelly of technology. >> i think it's a very, very real threat. unfortunately it's not a threat you can legislate for. it requires, you know, the probity of editing to try to dominate the voices and develop the credibility that other people -- so you can actually denounce the stuff that is -- >> but the speed. >> but the speed, no. it's not built into it. it's very, very scary. >> and the incredible ampification of a video that had 6,000 views. in cairo now, that's where we find rich add engel, nbc chief foreign correspondent down on street level. richard, set the scene for us outside the embassy. >> reporter: we are now in front of the u.s. embassy. and as you can see, the protests are once again continuing today.
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there was also a very large egyptian security presence, and so far while it has been chaotic here and has been very peaceful. one second. >> take your time there, richard. we saw -- >> reporter: sorry about that. >> that's okay. go ahead. >> reporter: give me a minute. >> okay. why don't we come back to richard in just a second. it already looks different this morning, obviously, richard standing there safely than what we saw yesterday. >> as richard indicated in an earlier report, the scene outside the embassy today is much -- starkly different than it was 24 hours ago when egyptian security failed to appear outside the embassy and finally showed up hours after they should have been there. again, it gets back to your point, tina. i mean, america, you know, the enemy, the number one enemy in that region, in other regions of the globe. >> which is why, you know,
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jingoistic talk has become so important. the internet amplifying things. you have politics entering the fray so deeply before this election. it is too dangerous to start using these kind of issues as political fray because they can go wild on the internet and end with this kind of mayhem we're seeing on the screen. >> let's talk about that a little bit. the response yesterday from last night, i should say, from the romney campaign to all this, the american embassy first released -- the american embassy in egypt first released a statement before all this violence erupted. it was an apparent response and a reference to this florida pastor we've been talking about apparently linked to the film that set all this off. the statement read in part, "the united states embassy in cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of muslims as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of american democracy. we firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
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mitt romney had been withholding political attacks on the anniversary of 9/11 lifted that embargo shortly before midnight. actually as mike allen reported, they asked reporters not to release it till 12:01 so it wouldn't be 9/11 released this statement. "it's disgraceful that the obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." >> how stupid. >> well, it begs the question, what should the first response have been in a romney administration? send in the fifth marines? >> exactly. i know. >> what would the first response be? >> the stupidity -- and of course, we all feel the same thing. you read that statement from the white house and go, it's such a shame we have to do it, but it's the right response. >> of course. >> the first response is let's calm the situation. >> restraint is hard. >> and the political stupidity of that by the romney camp continues to show, anytime they dip their toe in any foreign issue, it just blows up. and this is going to -- this is
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really a frightening response. >> i agree. >> we've got richard engel back with us. pick up where you left off setting the scene outside the u.s. embassy. do we have richard? is he with us? >> reporter: i am. sorry about that earlier. i had a bit of a coughing fit. >> no problem. >> reporter: there's been a lot of screaming here this morning. so you can see that the protests are still here. people are still very emotional, very upset about this obscure online movie which was a crime to cinematography in itself. and different today, there is a great deal of egyptian security presence. i don't think i can do this. >> we're going to give richard a break. richard's working hard. he's been working all night over there. we're going to give him a little bit of a break. just to get back to what donny was talking about here. we talked about the romney response. again, that first statement that was released from the embassy in cairo was before the violence in broken out. so the obama campaign responding
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to mitt romney's statement said, we are shocked that at a time when the united states of america is confronting the tragic death of one of our diplomatic officers in libya, governor romney would choose to launch a political attack. mark mckinnon, your take. >> well, yeah. i mean, this is a time that demands restraint and caution in such a volatile situation. i think what's interesting, willie, is that when you look at what's happening in libya and egypt and stack that up with what's happened with netanyahu in israel over the last couple of days, suddenly foreign policy is taking front and center in our public policy and potentially in our politics. and it could become very important in the campaign. when we all thought that foreign policy was going to be sort of an afterthought. >> you know, one of the things that fascinates me about political campaigns and the presidency is we don't ever know the america that the president is going to face when he comes in. and the irony is is they can campaign on a completely different platform. i mean, when you consider bush
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was the education president, right? he never expected to be the war president. obama was the hope and change president. and he found himself the president of a ruined economy. so you never know. and that's really why, in the end, the character of the president -- >> great point. >> -- and the intellectual capacity of the president and our sense that he can handle any crisis is really the most important thing. >> staying with politics, it's interesting, we all lauded the brilliance of the clinton speech which was basically stay the course. you know. and that was clearly a domestic economic issue. but it even becomes more apparent when you take it to foreign affairs. you could replay the clinton speech and change those words. and clearly to your point, showing the character. >> tina, you mentioned this before. i think we'll see the debate now shift majorly to foreign policy between what's happening today, between what's happening in israel. this has largely been avoided. you know, the politics of it is going to be big. to me, the sheer transparency of the calculation of the timing of
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the romney response, it was so blatant, you know, issue it at 10:00, as mike allen said. don't release this until midnight. oh, wait, now you can release it before midnight. and i guess t overarching thing is that i think yesterday, you know, we're all reminded every september 11th thankfully that we have been very fortunate, you know, but we still live in a very fragile time. i think that's exactly what we're seeing today. you know, not just in libya and cairo but, you know, in other places. >> foreign policy on the front page, and it happened in the blij blink of an eye. we'll learn more about mitt romney seeing how he handles this. meanwhile, bill clinton going to spend a second straight day campaigning for president obama in florida. yesterday he was on the campus of florida international university. the former president urging the young audience to register to vote. he also reiterated his message that the current president has laid the foundation for an economic recovery that clinton says is setting up the nation to move in the right direction. >> no one, not me, not anybody
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else, no one could have completely healed that and built a whole new economy and brought us back to full employment in just four years. it has never been done in the history of the world. it could not be done. so the test -- so the test is not whether you think everything's hunky dory. if that were the test, the president would vote against himself. he says that everything's not hunky dory. he knows how bad some people are hurting. he no knows what the problems a. the test is whether he's taking us in the right direction. and the answer to that is yes. yes. if you're looking for the future, i think the president's budget plan is better. meets the arithmetic test. i think the health care plan is better. i know the higher education plan is better. i know the energy plan is better. and i know the economic plan is better. and i know it will not amount to
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a hill of beans if you don't register and vote and get your friends to. so do it. >> mark mckinnon, there was all this beltway debate over whether president clinton would overshadow president obama, whether or not it was good for president obama to have clinton out on the campaign trail. but do you see him watching that speech and his convention speech as anything other than an asset for the president? >> slulgtabsolutely an asset. hall of fame ballot. keep him out there for 53 days. he framed the question, are you more hunky dory now than you were four years ago? >> i get cast very much as a liberal of obama. i was an undecided voter until then. >> no. >> i'm not -- i'm not making this up. >> come on. >> i was an un -- i love obama personally. there was a lot of issues. and literally, he reframed the discussion. >> he does. >> and i believe that -- i'm a human being, and i think that happened to a lot of people.
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and the polls showed that. he really -- what -- >> you weren't going to vote for mitt romney. please. >> stop it. >> talk to the people in my life. there were a lot of issues out there. i'm telling you, i think in my heart, i still would have voted for obama, but he really clarified it. i'm being honest. >> the stork market bounce the next day. when i first saw it, i said, is this a bill bounce? >> i was going to drag myself -- and this was, like, the right choice. it really was. >> he restored optimism. he just managed to do that. and if obama does win, he is going to have a big debt to bill clinton. he reframed it in a way that the president hasn't been able to do. >> in 2015 when he starts campaigning for hillary. up next, growing tension between the white house and israel. can the president repair relations with prime minister netanyahu? we'll bring in the deputy speaker of the israeli knesset. and andrea mitchell rejoins the conversation. more "morning joe" in a moment.
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we're not setting deadlines. we're, you know, watching very carefully about what they do, because it's always been more about their actions than their words. we're convinced that we have more time to focus on these sanctions, to do everything we can to bring iran to a good-faith negotiation. >> i think what is important is to realize that iran will not stop unless it sees clear determination by the democratic countries in the world and a clear red line. i don't think that they see a clear red line. and i think the sooner we establish one, the greater the chances that there won't be a need for other types of action. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's 7:20 here on the east coast. joining us, deputy speaker of the israeli knesset, danny danon, the author of "israel:
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the will to prevail." >> good morning, willie. >> we've been talking a great deal about a clear red line. we heard hillary clinton mention there wouldn't be one. we heard netanyahu asking one for democratic countries of the world. what is the clear red line in your mind when it comes to israel and iran? >> apparently president obama decided not to decide. we know iran is building a nuclear bomb. we can ask whether it will be in a few months or maybe less than a year. we wanted to ask our ally, the united states of america, do you want israel to wait? give us a date. give us a line and tell us, you know what? we will wait until the end of the year after the elections. but we feel today that the people in washington, mainly president obama and secretary clinton, do not do anything regarding iran. ignore what they're doing there. ignore what they are saying. and maybe one day we will decide about this issue. it cannot happen. israel has proven that we took
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the decisions, and we changed reality in the middle east. even towards against the will of the united states of america. and i think we're getting closer to that point, willie. >> if we give a date certain, if the united states agrees to a date certain, a clear red line as you put it, what happens once that clear red line is crossed? in other words, if iran exceeds that date and still continues to develop a weapon, what would you ask the united states to do? >> i think there should be more support. first of all, because if you have bad and good, you have to go towards the good. so the more support should be there, giving us the green light to act. then you can discuss whether we will give them accord to fly about saudi arabia, the missiles you have and we do not have, we do not expect to send american troops to the middle east. but when we see iran become nuclear -- and by the way, it is a problem for the american people as well because iran is saying we want to wipe out israel first. but then we want to wipe out the united states of america. so it is not on your shores today, but it will be. >> after decades of support for
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israel, bipartisan support for israel, and billions of dollars in aid, you don't feel you have the proper moral support right now? >> i think that when we have a partnership, had it comes to a crisis, that's when you know you have a partner. and today we have a crisis in the middle east. we have a state, a strong one, saying we want to fight against the jewish people. and iran, you'd better believe what they are doing. look at the pictures. every two weeks ahmadinejad is going -- here the candidates go to schools, they kiss babies. look what's happening in iran. every two weeks he's paying a visit to the reactors and showing the capability of iran. >> but again, the question, you don't feel as if you have the moral support today that you had when? sometime in the past? you don't feel that you have a strong partner today, as strong a partner that existed eight, nine years ago? >> absolutely not. they say that president obama took a different approach. he tried to speak to the arab world, to reach a hand to them.
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it did not work. look at the cairo speech he gave. a beautiful speech. but look what's happening today in cairo, the american embassy. look what's happening today in syria. the area is a tough neighborhood. and i think we change the approach that we speak with our neighbors. and also we expect from the people in washington to understand that they have to stand with us today. >> andrea mitchell has a question for you. andrea, i understand first you have some breaking news out of libya. >> we do. we have the statement from the president of the united states about the death of ambassador stevens. he says he strongly condemns the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility which took the lives of four americans. this is a statement from the white house just now, including ambassador chris stevens. right now the american people have the families of those we lost in thoughts and prayers. they exemplified america's commitment to freedom, justice and partnership with nations and people around the globe and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives. the president adds, he has directed his administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in libya and to
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increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. and while the u.s. rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must also unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these publicer is vantd er iservants. he also adds a personal note. this is such a terrible loss for everyone knew stevens, the ambassador. the president says chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the united states throughout the libyan revolution he selflessly served our country and the libyan people at our mission in benghazi. as ambassador in libya, he supported the transition to democracy. his legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. i am profoundly grateful for his service to my administration and deeply saddened by this loss. we should point out he had served two tours, but he was only sworn in by the president to this official post as ambassador in may. he was 52 years old. chris stevens was educated at berkeley. he had a law degree from
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hastings in california, a master's from the war college. he had been in the peace corps in 1983, teaching english in morocco. and this is the first american ambassador who has been killed in the line of duty since ambassador dubs in 1979. willie? >> andrea, the great irony as alluded to is this is a man, ambassador stevens, who helped free the libyan people. >> exactly. >> who helped push them and push aside moammar gadhafi. >> exactly. and with huge -- a huge commitment of american military might, with the losses that we've suffered, the financial losses in all of these engagements. this is immediately, of course, an issue in the political campaign because mitt romney put out a statement at midnight criticizing the administration on its efforts in libya with the violence in cairo and also in benghazi. >> andrea, what does this mean diplomatically? what can we expect to see now from the united states
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government? what can we expect to see from governments around the world? >> i think there will clearly be a rallying around the united states in this case, an effort by other arab leaders as well. clearly the libyan leaders have a lot to answer for, the lack of security around the consulate in benghazi that permitted this to happen. the egyptians are already reacting. and richard engel has reported today perhaps overreacting with security, but there are continuing protests there today. president morsi is scheduled to come to the united states for the u.n. meetings. and that brings us full circle back to this unfortunate and rising dispute over what to do about iran between the united states and israel with your guests there, of course, who is sharply critical, and an overnight phone call from the president to prime minister netanyahu to try to smooth this over. clearly, it's not smoothed over. let me just ask you, the u.s. says that israel never requested a meeting with netanyahu and that they're not even going to
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be in new york at the same time. what would you expect the united states to do at this stage with iran? the united states says that there is more time. defense secretary panetta said we would have a year after they make a decision to actually build a weapon before we would have to take military action. >> that's what i think a meeting between our prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, and the american president is crucial at this time. i know they are not scheduled to meet, but they think it's crucial to have a meeting. and the prime minister will go to washington, will go wherever he's needed in order to speak with the president to share the thoughts, the feelings that we have today in israel. and i hope that there will be a meeting by the end of this month. let's not forget, ahmadinejad is coming to town as well. he's coming, speaking at the u.n. but when he's going back to iran, he's continuing to enrich uranium. we do have concerns about the time line, when will we get to the point of no return?
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we can all agree that 2013, it is a year that a decision must be taken. >> is it your belief that the crippling sanctions that have been levied against iran and isolated it from the world to some effect are not an effective way to slow down their nuclear program? in other words, it's going to take military force to stop them? >> unfortunately, yes, willie, it is too little, too late. crippling sanctions means that the people of iran feel the sanctions. today the people in iran do not feel the sanctions. they can fly to washington every day. they can transfer funds, buy whatever they want. so they don't really feel it. and i think unfortunately, that we will have to stop iran from becoming nuclear. it is not easy for us as well. and in the book, i write about the timing. whenever israel has to take a tough decision, from 1948 until today, somebody in the white house told us wait. don't do it. it was in '48, '67, '73. and even when the last prime minister decided to attack the nuclear reactor in iraq in 1981, we were condemned by the u.n.,
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by the u.s. it took ten years to get a statement from the state department saying it was a smart move to destroy the reactor in iraq. >> let's get to it. what do you want to do? >> i want to make sure that our region is stable. in order to do that, we have to tell iran, we will not allow you to become nuclear. and if it takes a military action, we are willing. and i say we. it's not only israelis. not only jews against arabs. because of the values. because of democracy. and look at what's happening right now in egypt and in libya. those people are against the u.s. embassies because of the values that we represent. >> just to be clear, this is very important. you as deputy speaker of the knesset believe all other options have been exhausted and it's time for military action in iran? >> absolutely, but it should be a joint effort of the western societies and not only israel should take the burden to deal with this threat. >> well, how does america, which is out of money and has been
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decimated in terms of its morale and its economic situation by two wars, confront such a situation again? obviously the president has to be enormously cautious before we get back into another war. >> but on the flip side, think forward the economic implications of a nuclear-armed iran. >> it's deeply frightening. >> and the gentleman brings up a very good point that every proactive move that was the right move, the u.s. was still -- >> also yesterday we all commemorated 9/11. and the people from al qaeda decided to attack the u.s. and not israel. and they're walking very close today. whoever is against the united states, you will find one walking with him. it's going to be hezbollah, hamas. so we have to fight together on this. maybe it's not the right timing to do it, but we do not decide about it. >> strong words this morning. the book is "israel: the will to prevail." danny danon, deputy speaker of the knesset. >> thank you, willie. still ahead, we'll talk to
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all right, tina, let's talk about the new issue of "newsweek." the cover story is "college a lousy investment?" >> a terrific writer on business and economics who joined us recently poses the question, are we investing in self-improvement, or are we eating our future? because when kids are leaving with a rucksack of debt -- >> what what's the answer? >> the answer is we have to really ask ourselves why colleges have become so incredibly expensive? sometimes these colleges are also providing the kind of immunities in their competition with each other that kids are choosing that actually aren't affordable. we are lumbering these kids -- they can't work their way through college anymore. it's impossible when it's this amount. >> unless you have a hedge fund. >> there were some interesting things in the piece. one of them was this race to compete for the amenities.
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there's a great quote that you have to have a climbing wall. if you don't, you can't have a college. kids have become to expect all these other things. which brings up a larger point to me. bright students that are more college ready do better. you know, when i went to college, it was one big party. and that was the point. and you know, it's like if i -- i focused on academics, but i wish i would have focused more. and i just wonder, are kids getting the most out of it? there was a professor also quoted who said, you know, i hate sitting here watching you kids, you're trying to waste as much money as possible. >> absolutely. >> is that part of the problem? and the millennials, we are dealing with a very different generation. >> i actually think that looking at the so-called gap year is a good idea. >> me, too. >> if you want to spend the time partying wildly and you're also going to leave with $80,000 of debt, what was the point of this? it's become a race for credentialism in a way. >> it's very simple. if the four-year college is not going to open up any more job opportunities, don't do it. and there are a lot of people out there wasting those four
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years. >> tell us about the hero's summit. >> we are actually launching a terrific new event in washington, the institute for peace on november the 14th and 15th. we've called it the hero's summit, an exploration of courage and character. we are going to be showcasing the incredible stories of our men and women who have served. and really also leading out from that to talk about moral courage and political courage which is incredibly vanishing from the public forum. we'll be doing it right after the election because we feel that is a moment when we'll be focusing both on thanking these men and women for what they've been through and done and also asking ourselves how we can emulate in a sense some of their incredible willingness to sacrifice for america. >> good for you. november 14th and 15th in washington, the hero's summit. tina brown, great to see you, as always. coming up, lawrence o'donnell, chuck todd. and up next, doctors orders with dr. zeke emanuel and emily senay. stay with us. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ]
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welcome back to "morning joe." with us, former white house adviser for health policy, dr. zeke emanuel and from pbs, dr. emily senay. good to see you. welcome back. got to ask you first about your brother. >> yeah. >> what's going on in chicago? another day of striking? >> i will say the teachers have made it all about rahm. and one thing he's taught me is you focus on who you're serving. and for him it's been the kids. since before he took office, he kept telling me, we have to improve the education of the kids. teach versus been stopping work at 2:00. i know because i have two kids in the chicago public schools. and he said we need a longer day. we need more accountable for doing them well, and he's focused on that. for my brother, it's all about the kids. and he is fired up about that. >> longer day and longer school year. >> yeah. he's for it.
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i mean, he's for education. he wants kids to learn something and come out well prepared and he's focused like a laser on that. you can tussle with him on it, but tussling with rahm on something he's completely committed to is not a good idea. i learned that for about 50 years now. >> this is a guy who shared a bedroom with him. i think he probably knows. okay. let's move on, dr. senay. let's talk about this ovarian cancer study that says screenings are not effective. what should women read into that? >> yeah, you know, this has actually been accepted for quite some time. and this is in healthy women. we're not talking about women who have a strong family history of ovarian cancer. they're in a separate group. we're talking about screening average women. and this is just a reaffirmation of an earlier finding by the uspftf which looks at whether or not a screening test is valuable. and what they found is further evidence that not only does it not help reduce deaths from oe
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v ovarian cancer, but when you use a blood test and ultrasound together, you're probably causing more harm through finding a false positive and submitting women to surgeries that can lead to complications. so this is not entirely new, but it's further evidence that this way of screening healthy women for ovarian cancer just doesn't work well. >> i mean, one of the things about the review is 10% of the women had a false positive. that is the ultrasound or the blood test suggested there was something there. they went in and there was nothing. the ovaries were normal. there was no cancer, no evidence. so that's a major surgery for a woman who doesn't need it. and of those 10%, another 15% had some complication. either an infection or some other problem related to the surgery. those are very high numbers. and if you're not finding ovarian cancer early and saving women's lives, which you don't, you're doing more harm than good. we all want early detection in
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cancer. i'm an oncologist. you want to find cancer early to cure it because you don't want to cause harm in that process, and these tests seem to be causing more harm than good. >> by the way, this is not new, yet two-thirds of doctors believe this is valuable and they do offer it. this is just more evidence that caution is and really thinking through what you're offering to your patients is a good idea. >> so bottom line for a woman watching this show, when, if ever, should they go in for an ovarian screening? >> if she's not at high risk, if there's no family history or genetics of someone, don't do it. >> not at all. not even when you hit a certain age. >> yeah. don't do it. >> do you know how much money is spent on this kind of testing? obviously as we think about the costs of health care -- >> i'm glad you mentioned that. this particular body that looks at this does not take cost into account. so cost was not a factor in their decision. this was purely patient outcomes. obviously, you're the money guy. you can talk about the money.
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a lot. >> yes. i mean, we spend tens of billions of dollars on screening, not just for ovarian cancer but for prostate cancer, colon cancer. and one of the big things that's happened in medicine is that the american board of internal medicine had a big meeting and say there are a number of things we're doing that show no benefit and harm, and we really have to stop doing them as doctors. and i think this is one of them. this is certainly more than $1 billion a year for a test that causes more harm than good. >> so the other study that i want to talk to you about, i've been going to iceland for years now to get my fish oil, and i'm wasting these trips? fish oil? does me no good? >> i think this is a very interesting and still complicated area. but the latest study that reviews all the randomized trials suggests that fish oil does not prevent deaths, does not prevent heart attacks or strokes. and when you unpack the story, it shows that the early studies suggested that there was a big positive effect. and that, over time, the studies
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have suggested that there's no real benefit. there's no real harm either as most of us know. and so -- >> sucker. look at that figure. last year $1.1 billion spent on fish oil supplements. >> i have a huge tub sitting in my cabinet. but my doctor told me i don't need it, so i haven't been takingtak taking it. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. coming up, you may have seen this recently if you're watching bravo's "watch what happens live." slow dancing with tiffany thiessen. up next, tiffany joins us on set. and i try to undo the damage. talk about her role on the hit usa drama "white collar." that's next. ♪ ♪ [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] if you have yet to master the quiet sneeze... ♪ [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler.
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. my conference was supposed to be fun. >> the panel not go well? >> we pulled it off. >> honey, i'm sorry, i really thought reaching out to sam was a good idea. >> i thought sam did, as well. i don't know how they caught on to him or who caught on to him, but he could have handled it better before skipping town. >> do you know where sam went? >> no. i've walt asking around in d.c., see if his contacts can find
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him. >> if walt finds anything, you need to tell neal. >> i will. but i don't think he'll want to hear it. >> you didn't want to hear about the bowling party, but you are going. >> here with us now, co-star of the hit usa drama, tiffany, great to see you. >> you, too. >> the show is a big hit. for people who haven't like dialed into it yet, explain the show. >> well, the format basically is an fbi agent and his unlikely partnership with a con artist and how they work together to solve white collar crimes. and i play the wife of the fbi agent, kind of the voice of reason, which most people do, right? >> absolutely. >> and you just wrapped? >> we just wrapped season four. you're kind of right in the middle of our season four, but we have our mid season finale next tuesday.
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>> we've talked about this a little bit. we're not going to focus on what happens live because that's what my producers want to show us slow dancing and we're not going to do that. >> oh, we are. >> seriously, can we explain something as long as the video is up there? that was supposed to be prom dancing. that's not how we dance. everyone was saying i'm a terrible dance. >> that's awful. we did that on purpose. >> usually i do the -- it was our first dance. that was a couple months ago, by the way. >> i think we're good. >> but just your evolution, people, they see you, you've grown out of of the kelly role. >> let's hope, gosh. >> in the eyes of people. >> right. >> but now you're doing your own thing. >> well, i'm getting old and married, have a kid now. yeah, i mean --
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>> is it hard to shake that, though? >> i actually don't have a problem not shaking it. it was a huge part of my life and i have great memories and it's really what started my career. what's to shake? i'm totally fine with it. >> right, donny? embrace it. >> literally, last night, i'm not making this up, watched seven episodes of full house with my two girls. send. >> it lives on. >> i kid you not, accepseven. i can recite word by word. so saved by the bell, full house, same universe. you're being watched by families around the world. >> there are certain hair styles and outfits i'd like to forget, but it's fine. everything lives forever. >> right. and 90210, val. >> that was a seminal moment. and i was right there at the time. >> another great show. i had a great time.
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>> is there any val in your character on white collar? >> oh, no, i don't even think a slight. >> keep it out of there. >> i would say valerie was misunderstood. she was definitely complicated. but fun to play. >> so what are some of the other projects you're working on now? you're killing it on white collar. >> and i lunched a children company called petite nest a year ago, so we're hard at work with that. it's children's furniture and bedding line that i did once i was pregnant. you get into the mom world when that happens. >> isn't it funny how that kid changes everything? >> it totally changes everything. >> we have daughters the same age. >> she'ses past wonder pets now, but still into dora. >> gets you every time. >> where did you learn to dance, home depot? >> i'm never going to live this
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down. >> no, that's what i'm saying. it lives forever. >> and thank goodness our producers will not show it again because they respect me. >> there it is. >> we'll have to redeem ourselves. >> that was catholic school c s dancing. >> is that our kids dance now? >> oh, no. >> you have to leave room for the holy ghost. >> we were being respectful. we ahave husbands and wives. >> thank you. you can catch the finale of white collar tuesday the 18th. tiffany, so good to see you. congratulati congratulation. still ahead, lawrence o'donnell and chuck todd join the conversation. and andrea mitch ell with new reporting on the evolving situation in libya. at usaa, we believe honor is not
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breaking news as we come up at the top of the hour. the white house has confirmed the u.s. ambassador to libya, chris stevens, has been killed along with three other american personnel. they were killed when gunmen attacked the american consulate in benghazi. witnesses say the attackers were armed with automatic rifles and grenades. the mob set the compound on fire. in egypt, angry protesters scaled the fortified walls of the u.s. embassy in cairo, destroying the american flag and replacing it with a black islamic banner. both incidents reportedly a reaction to a little known amateur movie produced in the u.s. which ridiculed the the
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prophet mohammed. president obama has ordered increased security at u.s. embassies around the world and said in a statement right now the american people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. they he exemplified america's commitment to freedom and ju justice. joining the set, lawrence o'donnell and with us from washington, d.c., chuck todd. and also in washington, andrea mitchell. andrea, i'll start right there with you. what else can you tell us about the death of chris stevens. >> as bam door chris teachs, educated in berkeley, a peace corps volunteer. only sworn in in may. the president has issued a statement. hillary clinton has issued a statement about her profound
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sorrow. and also a foreign service officer sean smith who has joined the foreign service ten years ago, an experienced career diplomat. the president has spoken with great sadness and con determined the violence and this is a tragedy for everyone concerned. >> in a statement hillary clinton just released said i had the privilege of swearing in chris for his post in libya only a few months ago. he spoke eloquently about his passion for service and the libyan people. chris risked his own life to lend the libyan people a helping hand to build the foundation of a new free nation. lawrence o'donnell, there is a sad irony here.
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>> yeah, and it shows you the great areas of meaningless. everyone is looking forward to the debates now. you couldn't possibly have framed this as a debate question two days ago. what would you do if and lay out everything that's happened in the last 24 hours. so this will be a different news story six hours from now, it will be a different news story tomorrow. it's going to be interesting to watch how the presidential campaigns try to keep pace with this, the romney campaign already making a false move. so easy in these situations to just take a deep breath and say nothing because the fact is if you say something and careful, it will just be ignored. the only thing that will get
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attention is if you say something stupid. >> clearly we all recognize how stupid that response was and how political. this is unfolding. before that e-mail goes out at 10:00 last night, who are the people actually pushing the buttons that make that -- does it go to mitt, how does it happen that something stupid like that comes out? >> it absolutely doesn't go to mitt. and it wouldn't make any difference that it did. this is not an area that -- >> this is such a critical move. who makes that call? >> what you can see is a reactive energy. okay, obama has to be wrong. what were the words in the presidential statement that we can attack. that's just their first instinct. >> chuck todd, i guess sort of the same question to you with regard to the mechanics in the white house over the past 12 hours and the increasingly tense
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relationship between the president of united states and netanyahu in this cascading scale of events in the middle east. >> it's like how much do you lump together and how much do you separate. yesterday before the protests escalated with the death of and on duty ambassador in libya, you had this back and forth between netanyahu and the president, netanyahu claiming he was snubbed, israelis when they were in new york for the opening of the general assembly, that he wasn't getting a meeting with the president, he didn't understand why. then they had a patch it up phone call last night where the white house said there was no invitation ever asked for, nor extended, nor denied. they won't be in new york at the same time. what's fascinating is this morning the lead story in the jerusalem post is from the leading opposition in israeli
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say what regime do you want to change first, the one in united states or the one in iran, wondering if netanyahu was playing too much, getting for a involved in our domestic politics. about i want to go back to this romney. lawrence is right. in moments like this, if you're careful or say nothing, it gets ignored. the only way to get attention is to say something at outrageous. and i have to say i'm stunned, they put out this release when they did before we knew all the facts. before we know for sure whether there will be protests that spread around the world. it seemed to be an irresponsible thing to do and i'm fascinated to see that the romney campaign, no mention, they put out a debt statement. i have a feeling they wish they had that moment back. they are -- i understand where they feel like they are, they're chasing news cycles and they feel as if they have to be
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involved in every news cycle and every event in order to look on equal footing. but that was a bad mistake they made last night. >> as we talk about the politics of this, let's not lose sight of the fact more americans are dead. joining us from cairo, chief foreign correspondent richard engel. what more you can tell us about what happened in benghazi? >> reporter: first what's happening here, a much calmer situation today. lots of security force, protecting the embassy compound. just a few dozen protesters here today. what we know is that the white house has confirmed that the u.s. ambassador was at the benghazi consulate, killed when that consulate came under attack along with three other americans. those americans have not yet been identified. andrea mitchell says at lease one of them was another
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diplomat. the other two identities have not been released pending next of kin notification. all of this began after a video which we've talked about, ap sb apenter an internet movie that perhaps no one would ever have noticed except an egyptian cleric noticed it, me ade it a rallying cry, and then there was a rumor mill that began when reports cairo that this was a big hollywood movie that was going to be broadcast nationwide on the anniversary of 9/11. so people were told this movie which almost no one here has seen was offensive and is offensive to the prophet mohammed and they came out to demand that the united states issue laws to prevent this kind of blasphemy and insults to religion. and here in cairo, a few people scaled the wall and then a much
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more violent situation and attack on the cans lat with rpgs, with homemade grenades and with assault rifles. security forces in libya say they were simply overwhelmed. >> four americans are dead this morning because of video that no one, and i mean no one had seen on youtube. nobody paid any attention. >> it's fair to say all these people were lied to by the media. >> that's where i'm going. >> and by the way, even the lie, even if the lie were true, you don't then have the right to go kill people. >> exactly. and it was made into spiderman, this big blockbuster that the whole country was going to see. stunning. >> andrea, the pace of these events, i guess no one should be surprised, the volatility, as well, no one should be surprised would by that, but one serious element
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in an otherwise greatly series of incidents including four americans dead in benghazi, occurred here on this set this morning when we had the deputy speaker on and he more or less backed up netanyahu's seemingly urge to get the united states involved quickly in some sort of confrontation with iran. and i'm wondering off of what chuck todd had to report earlier, are there dissenting voices within the israeli government? >> absolutely. there is a lot of dissent. and you know israeli politics. it's as divided as the united states is over this issue, over what to do about iran and perhaps more so they're obviously on the front lines as far as being within target range. but the u.s. position is that iran has, first of all, not made
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the strategic decision whether to build a weapon, whether to weapon niz. there is a lot of new evidence from the international atomic energy agency that iran is moving in that direction, a lot of suspicion. but they have not made that political decision at the ayatollah level. that is the conclusion of the u.s. that is not the conclusion of israel at least in the prime minister's office as you heard this morning. the second disagreement is over what should be dwun militarily. israel does not believe that there is this continuing window of opportunity as panetta said only yesterday that we would have a year once they make that decision to stop them militarily. israel believe that's not the case, that that red line is now approaching. and that if we do not do something militarily more quickly, they will in their underground facilities be able to work unimpeded and develop a weapon beyond a point of no
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return. now, despite this argument in israel as chuck was just pointing out, on the front page of one of the newspapers in israel is the suggestion that they should not be getting involved in the united states political campaign and clearly that's what's done after that makeup phone call last night, the israeli government put out a statement that contradicted the white house over who snubbed whom and this is reaching the level where any attempt to solve this before or during the visit two weeks from now to new york is going to be futile. this has really escalated outside of any control and it's a big political problem. and as you know, mitt romney and netanyahu haven't lost any relationship that goes back to when they were both business consultants in boston decades ago. >> and we had the deputy speaker seated in that claire less than an hour ago calling for military action in explicit terms. he said all sanctions have been
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exhausted, it's time for military action. how worried should the american people be that we'll get dragged into something with israel? interest they shouldn't be worried at all because these guys don't control the policy. president obama has a much cooler head than they do about this situation. we heard what hillary clinton had to say who is also much cooler about handling this situation. and what we have now is netanyahu very deliberately, very consciously trying to put his hand on the scale of the american election. bibi netanyahu is deliberately trying to interfere with the election outcome. >> richard engel, what's your take on what we've heard this morning with regard to israel and the united states? >> reporter: with regard to iran, there is a concern that there would be military action, but i think what people don't necessarily realize is that in many ways the united states already is at war with iran. it's an economic war.
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it's a water against the iranian currency. iran is having tremendous inflation every day, there are lobby groups in the united states pressuring international firms for the to do business with iran. it is becoming increasingly difficult for iranians to move their money, to buy oil, to sell oil. and that kind of pressure is a kind of action. now, whether that is enough to make israel feel comfortable that it doesn't need to take some sort of military, remains to be seen. but quite a bit is going on. there are the attacks on the scientists, the viruses, the sab tanli sabotaging the supply line and also the economy. >> and yet prime minister netanyahu and the speaker saying that's not enough. chuck todd, there was a lot of talk yesterday that president obama had snubbed netanyahu, white house says that's just not the case, not the way it
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happened. what is the the relationship behind the scenes? >> it's not great. it's never been personally great. it is just something the two of them are just different personalities and they don't see eye to eye. what's interesting is that up until the last 24 hours, you got the sense that netanyahu and obama were sort of coming to the realization they may be stuck with each other for longer than either would like. and so, for instance, in the last visit to the white house, you had a much more conciliatory netanyahu, he didn't lecture the president on the history of israel, for instance, like did he a year ago and vice versa, you had the president using some of the strongest language publicly that he had used about how to deal with iran and israel's security. and then this blows up. netanyahu and romney, there is no -- this is maybe a first and
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something that will be more common going forward considering how many international students of today and future leaders of the world do study in the united states. but netanyahu and romney worked with each other at a boston business consulting group back in the 70s. and so they're personal friends. and so i think this only complicates things politically for netanyahu because every time he talks about the united states and the relationship with iran, then he's going to have people accusing him of getting involved in the presidential election. and so, you know, it's been interesting. the u.n. meeting coming up in two weeks, thes from had decided they won't have one-on-ones with anybody and i think they just don't want to put foreign policy into the campaign at all. they just want to keep it as minimal as possible. remember you cthere was a dust about would he meet with the new egyptian president. i doubt that happens, too, though i'm sure they will be in the same room at some point in new york. >> anandrea, you heard the lita
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of measures being taken against iran to hopefully cripple their nuclear program. do you agree that it is crippling? that's the term that's often used. >> here's the deal on that because there is the covert war and we've talked about that, the killing of the scientists and computer viruses. but the sanction which is richard was referring to is exactly what the u.s. policy is. the sanctions are designinged to go after the central bank, to go after the currency. in the last week alone, the iranian currency has plummeted. this shoots inflation up while we're told by treasury officials that during ram maedaade daram done, people couldn't get food. and i asked israeli officials about this, the treasury officials and israeli ambassador at the israeli embassy, jack lew, the chief of staff, all gathered in one room. i asked them all about it. treasury officials say eventually they'll bite. that's what hillary clinton
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said. the israeli ambassador says that's not the case. his view and netanyahu's is that the iranian people will let their people starve before they give up the program. yes, the sanctions are work. they're working on the economy. but the israeli viewpoint is they're not working politically because iran's government will never yield. >> they'll let their people starve rather than give up the nuclear effort. >> the quote was they'll let their people eat onions before they will give up their bottom. that is the israeli position. >> so give us an outline of what the sanctions might be doing now within iran. >> i think as andrea pointed out, they are working. and this is our diplomatic approach. this is the way to attempt to force their hand or at least weaken it significantly. and it works. it's not the political situation that israel wants, but it's working. this is all such a precarious
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balance and it's all being threatened by this disruption. and, you know, the sanctions can't continue, but -- >> so it's a war on their money. >> yes, that's what it is. >> lawrence, when the deputy was here, he made the point that every proactive move that israel has made successfully, they did it with basically u.s. on the sidelines. they didn't wait for the go. would israel ever make a move without us by their side at this point? >> these guys sound like they would. but what they're trying to do is actually lock us into whatever move they want to make. they want to control american foreign policy. they aren't -- they don't think that they want to allow as if it's within their powers the american government to make independent decisions on this. the netanyahu administration has gotten absolutely out of control in its relationship with
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washington. >> chuck, it relationship with washington. today the president of the united states, what's the schedule look like? are they on a balance beam now that they have four americans dead in benghazi, people in the streets in cairo, benjamin netanyahu and one of his deputies urging let's get it on now. what's the white house doing today? >> think about this, by the way. more americans killed in the last 24 hours in libya than during the battle essentially against -- when the united states and nato got involved in the sifld war. sort of ironic there. he's scheduled to leave for a campaign trip. he's going out west. he's scheduled to leave at 1:00 this afternoon. i would assume we do hear from him in some sort of public statement sometime around lunchtime that when you start looking at his schedule, they've been pretty consistent, they don't like to let -- they push
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this that he can walk and chew gum at the same time. so the last thing i expect them to do is to postpone or cancel their campaign stuff. meanwhile mitt romney's first event is at 9:30 this morning in florida and we're told he'll speak about libya right at the top. >> we'll have to see in light of his statement last night what he says this morning. chuck todd, thanks. you've got a busy day today. andrea mitchell, thank you for all your reporting. we appreciate you being up early with us. lawrence o'donnell, stek awick around. up next, joe klein joins us. woman 1: this isn't just another election. we're voting for...
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8:24 on the east coast. joining us now onset, political columnist for "time" magazine, joe klein. good to see you on this busy morning. >> bad morning. >> a terrible morning. four americans are dead in benghazi and also we have an escalate with bibi netanyahu chiding the white house for not being strong enough on iran. and this morning the deputy speaker in no uncertain times saying it's time for military action. >> first of all, let me just say i'm the father of an american diplomat who has served in difficult places and embassies that were under attack. and we should always be mindful, we and youan a lot about our troops, about your our diplomats are under attack, as well.
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but they serve courageously and unarmed. so this hits really close to home for me. as for israel and the deputy speaker and prime minister, i don't think i've ever in the 40 years i've been doing this, and i'm trying to search my mind through history, have heard of another example of an american ally trying to push us into war as blatantly and trying to influence an american election as blatantly as bibi netanyahu is doing right now. i think it's outrageous and disgusting. it's not a way that friends treat each other. and it is cynical and it is brazen and by the way, a little bit of history here. this december of 2006, george w. bush went over to the pentagon, met with the joint chiefs of staff and asked them what do you
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think about military action in iran. they were unanimously opposed to it. and as far as i know, the united states military, the leaders of the united states military, are unanimously opposed to it to this day. this is a fool's errand. it would be a ridiculous war with absolutely no good coming of it. >> joe, you're the only one among us who has been to iran. what do you think are the possibilities of the actions being taken now against iran, against the currency and the internals h s they're trying to chief there? >> republicans talk about ahmadinejad. he has no power. he's a figure head. the supreme leader has never conceded anything to us. there is hope this time that there may be a change because of this economic pressure for one
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reason. the revolutionary guards who are the most powerful force in the country control 30% to 40% of the economy. and these sanctions are really biting them. and very soon they'll start hampering the revolutionary guard's ability to buy weapons. and to pay their members. >> let me play devil's advocate for a second because clearly none of us want war. it's obviously the last thing we want. let's just go on the premise that the sanctions don't work and the premise that the leaders don't care about if their people eat onions and the same way the iraqi war was an absurd mistake, it acts in reverse and we a year and a half from now, hear me out, are staring at a nuclear-armed iran. what does that look like? >> first of all, i don't buy the premise. >> that is a possibility. clearly that is a possibility. >> let me just tell you why the premise is ridiculous. >> so no chance that could happen, no chance they'll ever be armed with -- >> the most important fact in
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iran today, civil fact, is that they took a million casualties during the 1980s war with iraq and they do not want to have their country destroyed by american weaponry or israeli weaponry. >> so no chance they'll have a nuclear weapon? >> there is a chance, but there is a policy that's worked for nuclear-armed countries, it's called containment. >> let's back up a little. the sanctions. you can give us an idea -- you've been to iran twice. you can give us an idea of how the sanctions impact your average iranian citizen? >> they're suffering. i mean, the thing about iran is that it's a country with the greatest mismatch between a government and a peenl of any country i've ever been to. these are the best educated people. region. they are incredibly civilized. they're proud of their civilization. it's a real country. they don't have straight line
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borders drawn by brits. it's a real place. >> former senator bob kerry has always maintained take they are our most natural allies. >> and the iranian people love us. i suspect that they're really suffering now. and also the people who are suffering who may have a major role in there are the business class. they're really hurting. >> so, joe, what is behind netanyahu's push of president obama? is it something about this president that he's pushing in a way that he wouldn't push george w. bush, is it just politics? what's behind this -- he's always pushing, but in this moment especially, he's doing it out in the open. >> he wants us to do his dirty work for him. there are a lot of people in the israeli high ranking at the top who i've spoken with who believe that a preemptive attack on iran would be very bad news for
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israel. because in the end, they're going to be able to reconstitute the nuclear program, but it's also going to empower them to unleash the forces of hezbollah on israel's thonorthern border. this will be more chaos at a time when we needless chaos in that region. >> doesn't it seem like netanyahu wants romney in the presidency because romney's never had an actual thought about foreign policy and he could just make romney his puppet? >> oh, yeah. romney has said he's on the record that he's going to farm out, you know, america's middle east policy to netanyahu. this is really irresponsible. by the way, romney has time and again in this campaign misrepresented the president's position on the middle east, the same way that bibi can did. romney said obama's position is a return to the 1967 borders
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period. >> pure lie. >> the president's position is a return to the 1967 borders with mutually agreed upon land swaps which have been the position of the american presidency since richard nixon. and so what's happening here is incredibly brazen. and by the way -- >> let me ask the question again. i agree with what you're saying and i'm the fartherest thing from a hawk. but the risk reward analysis you look at, going on a 2% possibility that we will wake up 7 1/2 months from now and all of a sudden it will be official, there is a nuclear weapon, what does that do to the universe? let just play it out that there's a small possibility. >> it provides protection for iran against the threat of an israeli attack or an american attack. they won't use a bomb it if they get it. people, you know -- netanyahu has done this with me personally.
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he keeps on trying to impress the notion that iran is run by a bunch of crazy people. it's not. it's run by a bufshlg of extremiextrembunch of extremists, but they're not crazy and they don't want to see what happened in the 1980s happen to them again. so the the most -- the greatest likelihood if iran makes a decision to go after a bomb and gets one is that they're going to have a deterrent against people attacking them from the outside. >> so you believe the bluster is just that. when ahmadinejad says we need to wipe israel off the map, if they have the bomb, they won't use it? >> no, i don't think that they will. i'm convinced that they won't unless they're provoked. this is a real country. tehran looks like los angeles. it's not -- this is not al qaeda we're dealing with. it's not libya. it's not a country of tents. it's a country of high rise
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apartment buildings and factories. >> one of the stresses of the situation is we see iran's ambition, we can see it coming. pakistan got the bomb and no one knew it. the cia read about it in the newspaper. it snuck up on them completely. what is the difference between pam stand and iran getting -- if we had had this same discussion about pakistan getting the bomb a year before pack tkistan got bomb, there would have been all sorts of warmongering. >> to my mind, pakistan is a far more dangerous situation and more threatening to u.s. national security than iran is because pakistan is a country with a history of having islamic coups. it's like four countries slapped together by the brits in 1947.
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rafrn is iran is a real country. >> what do you figure sawudi arabia does? >> i think they'll make noises, but i don't think they'll go for it because we know that we are their nuclear shield. >> so if it happen, it's not as bad as pakistan? >> absolutely. not as bad as pakistan. >> last question before we get you do. netanyahu comes to president obama if he's reelected in january and says i understand you couldn't do anything during the election season, but we're ready to go. are you with us, are you not? what's the answer? >> we're not. we're not. >> and then netanyahu does -- >> and then netanyahu if he's wise does nothing. he listens to his military. and does nothing and homes that the sanctions -- by the way, we are at war with iran. there are computer viruses, cyber warfare, very effective cyber warfare going on right
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now. we are understand their computers and we know it's in their computers. so i think that ultimately this is being blown up by a small group of people in this country and by bibi netanyahu into a crisis that is not really a crisis. >> who is the more dangerous player on the world stage right now, the supreme leader in tehran or bibi netanyahu? >> don't answer that. >> it's not netanyahu. the supreme leader is a fascist. and he right now is causing great pain to his people in a way that bibi netanyahu never would. >> i understand the point of your question, but that was a silly question. >> that was a clown question. >> one they think we know with netanyahu, you don't have to be with him long to know that there's only one way, only one way, to get along with him and that is to agree with every
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speaking of morning paper, let's take a look at the "chicago tribune." chicago's teachers ended their third day on strike with no sign of a break through, ten hours of talks yesterday yielded little head way on key issues especially teacher evaluations. mayor rahm emanuel repeated his stance that the strike was avoidable as the school board asked the teachers union for their own proposal of how to resolve the dispute. >> and by looking it at the morning paper, you mean reading stuff from the teleprompter abo about -- >> yes. >> mark zuckerberg told a conference that mobile technology is facebook's future. while acknowledging the disappointsing stock performance, he hopes most of his staff will double down on the company. >> put a suit on. >> not a hoodie at least. >> the orange county register
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with the expected announcement of a new iphone later today, everyone from cell phone carriers to accessory manufacturers are expecting wind fall profits. estimated fourth quarter sales of the new apple smartphone could grow the united states gdp by as much as half a percent. >> are you getting a new iphone today? >> as soon as it's available for sale, eye getting one. >> you're one of those kids. sit in line all night? >> you've seen me do it before. >> you actually have shall be online for you. >> no, i've sat in is front of stores. >> i've seen you you in a tent waiting for tickets to saturday night live, also. >> up next, melissa leo joins us onset.
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it seems to me that it's -- >> the more he's fluttering his wings, the more i can smell it. >> smells like a bird. >> i want you to know this comes from corporate headquarters, from upper management. and they've talked to me and they've asked me to go ahead, we he have to let you go. >> wow. that was a scene from the new movie francine. the story of a woman who has just gotten out of jail, trying to adjust to her new life on the outside world. the star of the movie, melissa leo, joins us now.
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i'm always overwhelmed by your work, but even in that short clip, you are that woman, franci francine. tell us who she is. >> you don't know why she's been from prison, probably been there for a good many years. and as she comes out, there's a small house available to her somehow, we don't know how. and slowly she gains more and more animals. strays and so she finds herself eventually without a job and in a very small house filled with several cats and dogs. >> what part of boston are you from? >> i'm not from boston. >> what? we've had a fight all morning -- i'm from dorchester. >> and i know the boston accent is like wicked hard to do for actors. but come on, like it was in your
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blood. >> when you get to be in the environment, to meet alice and her sons and daughters, her old boy friends, be in the gym in which the boys actually train, you just -- >> so was she your dialogue coach? >> she was indeed. >> what a force that was. every time i meet an academy winner, i want to ask, there are very few teams you get to watch human beings at the top of the mountain. so the moment they call your name, just take us inside. >> you have to first imagine if it were kirk dwug houglas calli your name. when i saw him up there on the stage and the thought that perhaps i would receive it from -- oh, terry not think. and i looked over at amy again and wished her luck. and up i went and i think it's pretty clearly on record how when my mind was. >> but what else -- clearly.
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but is there going through 40 years of work, your mom -- >> i had been to several lovely award ceremonies in the previous weeks and months. i had graciously gone up and accepted. i had watched colin firth accept money. and the day after we were at oprah and tom hooper and the three of us standing in the hallway talking about that moment for each of us. for the actors, we thought we knew how to be on stage and suddenly you don't. for the directors, the highlight. >> if you didn't have video, how much would you actually remember? >> probably absolutely none of it. really. absolutely right. just my mind blown. and there i am on a stage, i think i'm comfortable doing that, and, woah wilwoah, not a in my head. >> it's my native tongue.
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when i speak american, it's a foreign language to me. >> this is the way we talk because we're from boston, but francine, how did you get to be franci francine? >> you take the descriptions by the filmmakers, you take whatever aspect of your own exist hence might feed the character. you leave all the rest of that behind. you dress in her clothing, you walk in her shoes. you allow it to change you and then you have the performance. >> opens today? >> opens today for a week. and hopefully across the country if you go to your local theaters and say please bring francine, when is francine coming.
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